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	<title>Comments on: &#8220;You&#8217;re not entitled to your own facts&#8221; vs. That&#8217;s your opinion. Kiss my ad.</title>
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		<title>By: Stephan</title>
		<link>http://pressthink.org/2012/08/youre-not-entitled-to-your-own-facts-vs-thats-your-opinion-kiss-my-ad/#comment-23720</link>
		<dc:creator>Stephan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Sep 2012 02:52:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi! I&#039;ve been reading your blog for a long time now and finally got the bravery to go ahead and give you a shout out from  Austin Texas! Just wanted to mention keep up the excellent work!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi! I&#8217;ve been reading your blog for a long time now and finally got the bravery to go ahead and give you a shout out from  Austin Texas! Just wanted to mention keep up the excellent work!</p>
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		<title>By: Some Interesting Links (to constantly edit) &#124; Kirkov.ch/Blog</title>
		<link>http://pressthink.org/2012/08/youre-not-entitled-to-your-own-facts-vs-thats-your-opinion-kiss-my-ad/#comment-22091</link>
		<dc:creator>Some Interesting Links (to constantly edit) &#124; Kirkov.ch/Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Sep 2012 07:55:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] http://pressthink.org/ “You’re not entitled to your own facts” vs. That’s your opinion. Kiss my ad.&#8221; [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] <a href="http://pressthink.org/" rel="nofollow">http://pressthink.org/</a> “You’re not entitled to your own facts” vs. That’s your opinion. Kiss my ad.&#8221; [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Weekly List Bookmarks (weekly) &#124; Eccentric Eclectica @ ToddSuomela.com</title>
		<link>http://pressthink.org/2012/08/youre-not-entitled-to-your-own-facts-vs-thats-your-opinion-kiss-my-ad/#comment-19114</link>
		<dc:creator>Weekly List Bookmarks (weekly) &#124; Eccentric Eclectica @ ToddSuomela.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Sep 2012 00:54:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Eyal Oren</title>
		<link>http://pressthink.org/2012/08/youre-not-entitled-to-your-own-facts-vs-thats-your-opinion-kiss-my-ad/#comment-18992</link>
		<dc:creator>Eyal Oren</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Sep 2012 11:59:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[How to stop the misleading Ads?  It&#039;s actually ridiculously simple...the networks need to refuse to run them.  That&#039;s it.  Takes some moral fiber on their part but the campaigns will quickly adjust and produce ads that pass a possible &#039;bipartisan fact checking committee&#039; that would be put in place to screen them.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How to stop the misleading Ads?  It&#8217;s actually ridiculously simple&#8230;the networks need to refuse to run them.  That&#8217;s it.  Takes some moral fiber on their part but the campaigns will quickly adjust and produce ads that pass a possible &#8216;bipartisan fact checking committee&#8217; that would be put in place to screen them.</p>
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		<title>By: The racist nature of the Republican Party&#8217;s most effective lies &#171; The Racist and Unoriginal Anglo-American Entertainment Industry</title>
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		<dc:creator>The racist nature of the Republican Party&#8217;s most effective lies &#171; The Racist and Unoriginal Anglo-American Entertainment Industry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Sep 2012 23:42:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] This has been the subject of several posts at the Press Think blog of NYU professor/leading media critic Jay Rosen, most recently, &#8221;You&#8217;re not entitled to your own facts&#8217; vs. That&#8217;s your opinion. Kiss my ad&#8220;. [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] This has been the subject of several posts at the Press Think blog of NYU professor/leading media critic Jay Rosen, most recently, &#8221;You&#8217;re not entitled to your own facts&#8217; vs. That&#8217;s your opinion. Kiss my ad&#8220;. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: gts109</title>
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		<dc:creator>gts109</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Sep 2012 18:12:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Interesting piece, but your central example (the flap over Obama&#039;s waiver of the work requirements of the 1996 Welfare Reform Act) is falling apart.  The fact-checkers all latched onto the HHS&#039;s response, which required that states increase by 20% the number of people moving from welfare to work before they would be granted a waiver, as the key piece of &quot;evidence&quot; that debunked Romney&#039;s claims.  

They accepted this &quot;evidence,&quot; even though it was after-the-fact spin from a government agency desperately trying to escape the political landmine it had just triggered.  Moreover, the 20% &quot;requirement&quot; was grasped from thin air and backed by no law or rule.  These uber-journalists did so without skepticism, even though (1) Obama has greatly expanded the entitlement state, making it plausible that he would roll-back a reform that had the opposite effect; (2) the Administration had every incentive to say anything to make it seem as though the key provision of a popular and bi-partisan reform bill was not being undone by bureaucratic fiat (the word &quot;waiver&quot; could not more perfectly support Romney&#039;s position); (3) no other president has tried such a gimmick in the 16 years since the reform law passed; (4) Obama himself had expressed disapproval of the law when it was passed; and, (5) HHS is full of policymakers whose opposition to the law is well-known.  

The Heritage Foundation did some actual work, and explained why the 20% figure is not meaningful.  It is likely to increase on its own with economic improvement, and the most sure-fire way for states to meet this &quot;requirement&quot; (and get the waiver) is to put more people on welfare (an alternative is to marginally improve records keeping).  

If you still think that this war of words, over a policy yet to be enacted, is something that is easily subject to a four point scale, justifying the publication of statements that a major political candidate is a &quot;liar&quot; (or something akin to that), you&#039;re one of two things: (1) grossly overconfident in your ability to decide political arguments with empirical certainty or (2) in the tank for Obama.  I don&#039;t discount the possibility that you are both.  

This is exactly why careful journalists don&#039;t go around calling politicians liars without something rock solid.  I think a traditional journalist could have easily written about this in an even-handed manner, and left the decision about who is right up to the voters.  And, in an instance like this, where there is no real &quot;right&quot; answer (it&#039;s really a debate about how expansive you want the welfare state to be), that&#039;s exactly where the decision making should occur.

http://www.heritage.org/research/reports/2012/08/ending-work-for-welfare-bogus-measures-of-success]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting piece, but your central example (the flap over Obama&#8217;s waiver of the work requirements of the 1996 Welfare Reform Act) is falling apart.  The fact-checkers all latched onto the HHS&#8217;s response, which required that states increase by 20% the number of people moving from welfare to work before they would be granted a waiver, as the key piece of &#8220;evidence&#8221; that debunked Romney&#8217;s claims.  </p>
<p>They accepted this &#8220;evidence,&#8221; even though it was after-the-fact spin from a government agency desperately trying to escape the political landmine it had just triggered.  Moreover, the 20% &#8220;requirement&#8221; was grasped from thin air and backed by no law or rule.  These uber-journalists did so without skepticism, even though (1) Obama has greatly expanded the entitlement state, making it plausible that he would roll-back a reform that had the opposite effect; (2) the Administration had every incentive to say anything to make it seem as though the key provision of a popular and bi-partisan reform bill was not being undone by bureaucratic fiat (the word &#8220;waiver&#8221; could not more perfectly support Romney&#8217;s position); (3) no other president has tried such a gimmick in the 16 years since the reform law passed; (4) Obama himself had expressed disapproval of the law when it was passed; and, (5) HHS is full of policymakers whose opposition to the law is well-known.  </p>
<p>The Heritage Foundation did some actual work, and explained why the 20% figure is not meaningful.  It is likely to increase on its own with economic improvement, and the most sure-fire way for states to meet this &#8220;requirement&#8221; (and get the waiver) is to put more people on welfare (an alternative is to marginally improve records keeping).  </p>
<p>If you still think that this war of words, over a policy yet to be enacted, is something that is easily subject to a four point scale, justifying the publication of statements that a major political candidate is a &#8220;liar&#8221; (or something akin to that), you&#8217;re one of two things: (1) grossly overconfident in your ability to decide political arguments with empirical certainty or (2) in the tank for Obama.  I don&#8217;t discount the possibility that you are both.  </p>
<p>This is exactly why careful journalists don&#8217;t go around calling politicians liars without something rock solid.  I think a traditional journalist could have easily written about this in an even-handed manner, and left the decision about who is right up to the voters.  And, in an instance like this, where there is no real &#8220;right&#8221; answer (it&#8217;s really a debate about how expansive you want the welfare state to be), that&#8217;s exactly where the decision making should occur.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.heritage.org/research/reports/2012/08/ending-work-for-welfare-bogus-measures-of-success" rel="nofollow">http://www.heritage.org/research/reports/2012/08/ending-work-for-welfare-bogus-measures-of-success</a></p>
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		<title>By: Captain Obvious reports: Fact checking is good &#124; Journalism Junkie</title>
		<link>http://pressthink.org/2012/08/youre-not-entitled-to-your-own-facts-vs-thats-your-opinion-kiss-my-ad/#comment-18888</link>
		<dc:creator>Captain Obvious reports: Fact checking is good &#124; Journalism Junkie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Sep 2012 02:12:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] Rosen of NYU touched on the subject in a post with the awesome title of &#8220;Your&#8217;re not entitled to your own facts versus that&#8217;s your opinion kiss my ad,&amp;#82... when he mentioned heavily-debunked Mitt Romney add accusing President Obama of removing work [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Rosen of NYU touched on the subject in a post with the awesome title of &#8220;Your&#8217;re not entitled to your own facts versus that&#8217;s your opinion kiss my ad,&amp;#82&#8230; when he mentioned heavily-debunked Mitt Romney add accusing President Obama of removing work [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Jay Rosen</title>
		<link>http://pressthink.org/2012/08/youre-not-entitled-to-your-own-facts-vs-thats-your-opinion-kiss-my-ad/#comment-18723</link>
		<dc:creator>Jay Rosen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Sep 2012 23:11:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This is an analysis that leads nowhere. I know. I tried it for years.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is an analysis that leads nowhere. I know. I tried it for years.</p>
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		<title>By: Civility Watchdog</title>
		<link>http://pressthink.org/2012/08/youre-not-entitled-to-your-own-facts-vs-thats-your-opinion-kiss-my-ad/#comment-18720</link>
		<dc:creator>Civility Watchdog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Sep 2012 22:30:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[There is so much name-calling and distortion coming from both Republicans and Democrats, I defy anyone to prove that one side does it more than the other.

This is what it would take to prove that kind of claim:
http://voices.yahoo.com/who-worse-democrats-republicans-7584038.html?cat=9

And this is one of the routine sources of antagonism in politics. Each side gets outraged at the other side&#039;s name-calling, but not their own, and then they call for the OTHER side to uphold civil debate, even as they ignore it themselves. This doesn&#039;t inspire civility, it only inspires further outrage at the hypocrisy of your opponent&#039;s call for civility and makes things worse.

The call for civil debate has become empty rhetoric:
http://voices.yahoo.com/the-empty-rhetoric-civil-debate-8601909.html

Is there any politician out there who will openly criticize members of their own party (or even themselves) for resorting to name-calling?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is so much name-calling and distortion coming from both Republicans and Democrats, I defy anyone to prove that one side does it more than the other.</p>
<p>This is what it would take to prove that kind of claim:<br />
<a href="http://voices.yahoo.com/who-worse-democrats-republicans-7584038.html?cat=9" rel="nofollow">http://voices.yahoo.com/who-worse-democrats-republicans-7584038.html?cat=9</a></p>
<p>And this is one of the routine sources of antagonism in politics. Each side gets outraged at the other side&#8217;s name-calling, but not their own, and then they call for the OTHER side to uphold civil debate, even as they ignore it themselves. This doesn&#8217;t inspire civility, it only inspires further outrage at the hypocrisy of your opponent&#8217;s call for civility and makes things worse.</p>
<p>The call for civil debate has become empty rhetoric:<br />
<a href="http://voices.yahoo.com/the-empty-rhetoric-civil-debate-8601909.html" rel="nofollow">http://voices.yahoo.com/the-empty-rhetoric-civil-debate-8601909.html</a></p>
<p>Is there any politician out there who will openly criticize members of their own party (or even themselves) for resorting to name-calling?</p>
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		<title>By: SolutionOriented</title>
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		<dc:creator>SolutionOriented</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Sep 2012 22:24:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Why shouldn&#039;t candidates and campaigns be made to preface their statements with the following: I _____ have reviewed and taken reasonable actions to determine the truth of the matter asserted and hereby represent that I knowingly assert the following statements as true. If subsequently determined to be false, I accept liability in the amount of ________ as a penalty for the dissemination of lies. Such language would preface all statements from a campaign and would be contractually agreed to when they take out the paperwork from each jurisdiction to run or have their name appear as a candidate. Just think of the penalty as another way to balance government budgets.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why shouldn&#8217;t candidates and campaigns be made to preface their statements with the following: I _____ have reviewed and taken reasonable actions to determine the truth of the matter asserted and hereby represent that I knowingly assert the following statements as true. If subsequently determined to be false, I accept liability in the amount of ________ as a penalty for the dissemination of lies. Such language would preface all statements from a campaign and would be contractually agreed to when they take out the paperwork from each jurisdiction to run or have their name appear as a candidate. Just think of the penalty as another way to balance government budgets.</p>
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