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		<title>By: Right as Rosen: Fact Check This! &#171; MediaTonic</title>
		<link>http://pressthink.org/2012/09/the-clash-of-absolutes-and-the-on-air-fact-check/#comment-28454</link>
		<dc:creator>Right as Rosen: Fact Check This! &#171; MediaTonic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Oct 2012 00:00:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] Watchdog Jay Rosen cites Soledad O&#8217;Brien for doing the right thing. [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Watchdog Jay Rosen cites Soledad O&#8217;Brien for doing the right thing. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Peter Mullen</title>
		<link>http://pressthink.org/2012/09/the-clash-of-absolutes-and-the-on-air-fact-check/#comment-26439</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter Mullen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Sep 2012 05:27:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Jay, I don&#039;t think you would know honest journalism if it slapped you in the face.  Your &#039;fact checks&#039; are nothing more than a partisan head fake when you can&#039;t fall back on the truth.  The truth is, the NY Times is written for a very narrow and narrow minded audience and that includes you--liberal elites who are only capable of one way thinking.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jay, I don&#8217;t think you would know honest journalism if it slapped you in the face.  Your &#8216;fact checks&#8217; are nothing more than a partisan head fake when you can&#8217;t fall back on the truth.  The truth is, the NY Times is written for a very narrow and narrow minded audience and that includes you&#8211;liberal elites who are only capable of one way thinking.</p>
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		<title>By: zaybu</title>
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		<dc:creator>zaybu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Sep 2012 12:07:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[What you are confusing is fact-checks with opinion-checks. King had to admit that what he was expressing was an opinion, which he is entitled to. What he is not entitled is his &#039;own&#039; facts. As to your reference of &#039;dog whistle&#039;,that&#039;s all about a point of view, not facts.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What you are confusing is fact-checks with opinion-checks. King had to admit that what he was expressing was an opinion, which he is entitled to. What he is not entitled is his &#8216;own&#8217; facts. As to your reference of &#8216;dog whistle&#8217;,that&#8217;s all about a point of view, not facts.</p>
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		<title>By: here</title>
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		<dc:creator>here</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Sep 2012 09:30:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Terry Heaton</title>
		<link>http://pressthink.org/2012/09/the-clash-of-absolutes-and-the-on-air-fact-check/#comment-25582</link>
		<dc:creator>Terry Heaton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Sep 2012 21:43:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Abigail,

It is Mr. King&#039;s assertion that what Ms. O&#039;Brien is using -- her &quot;fact checking&quot; -- is, in fact, just the other side of an elaborate &quot;he said/she said&quot; reality. Ms. O&#039;Brien&#039;s assumption is that she has independently checked the claims of Mr. King and found them wanting, but he is able to draw her into the &quot;he said/she said,&quot; because his assumption is that she is, in fact, a part of the other side. Does that help or make sense? I&#039;m assuming here that your query is sincere.

Terry]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Abigail,</p>
<p>It is Mr. King&#8217;s assertion that what Ms. O&#8217;Brien is using &#8212; her &#8220;fact checking&#8221; &#8212; is, in fact, just the other side of an elaborate &#8220;he said/she said&#8221; reality. Ms. O&#8217;Brien&#8217;s assumption is that she has independently checked the claims of Mr. King and found them wanting, but he is able to draw her into the &#8220;he said/she said,&#8221; because his assumption is that she is, in fact, a part of the other side. Does that help or make sense? I&#8217;m assuming here that your query is sincere.</p>
<p>Terry</p>
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		<title>By: Taylor</title>
		<link>http://pressthink.org/2012/09/the-clash-of-absolutes-and-the-on-air-fact-check/#comment-25352</link>
		<dc:creator>Taylor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Sep 2012 22:24:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[To extend this analogy a bit...

Soledad O&#039;Brien = THE JUDGE. 
Peter King = THE PLAINTIFF. 
Obama (represented by fact-checkers) = THE DEFENDANT. 
Viewers = THE JURY.
Public Opinion = THE VERDICT.

The truth/objective reality = NOT (NECESSARILY) INVOLVED AT ALL.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To extend this analogy a bit&#8230;</p>
<p>Soledad O&#8217;Brien = THE JUDGE.<br />
Peter King = THE PLAINTIFF.<br />
Obama (represented by fact-checkers) = THE DEFENDANT.<br />
Viewers = THE JURY.<br />
Public Opinion = THE VERDICT.</p>
<p>The truth/objective reality = NOT (NECESSARILY) INVOLVED AT ALL.</p>
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		<title>By: Links 9/20/12 &#124; Mike the Mad Biologist</title>
		<link>http://pressthink.org/2012/09/the-clash-of-absolutes-and-the-on-air-fact-check/#comment-24931</link>
		<dc:creator>Links 9/20/12 &#124; Mike the Mad Biologist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Sep 2012 20:46:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] Theory of the Moocher Class Will Americans Let Romney Talk About Their Mamas? Hurting the Kids The clash of absolutes and the on-air fact check Even David Brooks Glengarry Glen Mitt THE REPUBLICAN NOISE MACHINE AND MITT ROMNEY: THE CON ARTIST [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Theory of the Moocher Class Will Americans Let Romney Talk About Their Mamas? Hurting the Kids The clash of absolutes and the on-air fact check Even David Brooks Glengarry Glen Mitt THE REPUBLICAN NOISE MACHINE AND MITT ROMNEY: THE CON ARTIST [...]</p>
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		<title>By: abigail beecher</title>
		<link>http://pressthink.org/2012/09/the-clash-of-absolutes-and-the-on-air-fact-check/#comment-24864</link>
		<dc:creator>abigail beecher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Sep 2012 18:25:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Terry, isn&#039;t it O&#039;Brien who is playing the lame he said/he said game?  It is O&#039;Brien who is playing the part of Obama surrogate to King&#039;s Romney surrogate and frankly I don&#039;t see the difference between what O&#039;Brien is doing with what David Axelrod would do in this situation.

Please explain.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Terry, isn&#8217;t it O&#8217;Brien who is playing the lame he said/he said game?  It is O&#8217;Brien who is playing the part of Obama surrogate to King&#8217;s Romney surrogate and frankly I don&#8217;t see the difference between what O&#8217;Brien is doing with what David Axelrod would do in this situation.</p>
<p>Please explain.</p>
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		<title>By: abigail beecher</title>
		<link>http://pressthink.org/2012/09/the-clash-of-absolutes-and-the-on-air-fact-check/#comment-24863</link>
		<dc:creator>abigail beecher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Sep 2012 18:20:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This is obvious since we all know Obama would never lie---it&#039;s just those wingnuts who prevaricate.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is obvious since we all know Obama would never lie&#8212;it&#8217;s just those wingnuts who prevaricate.</p>
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		<title>By: anon</title>
		<link>http://pressthink.org/2012/09/the-clash-of-absolutes-and-the-on-air-fact-check/#comment-24690</link>
		<dc:creator>anon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Sep 2012 12:21:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Dead on. Why perpetuate a non-story? If someone with a brain or serious influence said so, then even then, only their unaccountable stupidity would be the story!

Oh NEWS! &quot;Someone said something that sounded like a something... oh, I can&#039;t tell you *how* they said it... or what they said. But something they said sounded like something else...&quot; Who ___ cares!

Regardless of the side of politics &#039;arguing&#039; in this manner, if &quot;your base&quot; plays this sort of nonsense, your party must represent morons. May as well just say: &quot;VOTE 1 our party... you&#039;re morons and we&#039;re morons - we have so much in common. Let&#039;s embrace our intuitive knowledge of the meaning of things - even though we can&#039;t explain them to other people, or even to each other.&quot;

I tell you what, I&#039;ve got some news: O&#039;Brien sounds like a communist! Now, I can&#039;t actually tell you *what* he said that sounded commy, but...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dead on. Why perpetuate a non-story? If someone with a brain or serious influence said so, then even then, only their unaccountable stupidity would be the story!</p>
<p>Oh NEWS! &#8220;Someone said something that sounded like a something&#8230; oh, I can&#8217;t tell you *how* they said it&#8230; or what they said. But something they said sounded like something else&#8230;&#8221; Who ___ cares!</p>
<p>Regardless of the side of politics &#8216;arguing&#8217; in this manner, if &#8220;your base&#8221; plays this sort of nonsense, your party must represent morons. May as well just say: &#8220;VOTE 1 our party&#8230; you&#8217;re morons and we&#8217;re morons &#8211; we have so much in common. Let&#8217;s embrace our intuitive knowledge of the meaning of things &#8211; even though we can&#8217;t explain them to other people, or even to each other.&#8221;</p>
<p>I tell you what, I&#8217;ve got some news: O&#8217;Brien sounds like a communist! Now, I can&#8217;t actually tell you *what* he said that sounded commy, but&#8230;</p>
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