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	<title>Comments on: Loyalty and obsession are intimates: Andrew Sullivan goes independent</title>
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		<title>By: &#039;Journalist is zelf zijn eigen niche&#039; - Analyse, Blog - De Nieuwe Reporter - Journalistiek &#38; Nieuwe Media</title>
		<link>http://pressthink.org/2013/01/loyalty-and-obsession-are-intimates-andrew-sullivan-goes-independent/#comment-44865</link>
		<dc:creator>&#039;Journalist is zelf zijn eigen niche&#039; - Analyse, Blog - De Nieuwe Reporter - Journalistiek &#38; Nieuwe Media</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jan 2013 06:56:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] kon Sullivan in korte tijd zo veel geld ophalen? Simpel, althans volgens Jay Rosen: loyaliteit van het publiek en obsessie van de blogger. Rosen, professor online journalistiek aan de NYU en net als Sullivan een grote naam in [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] kon Sullivan in korte tijd zo veel geld ophalen? Simpel, althans volgens Jay Rosen: loyaliteit van het publiek en obsessie van de blogger. Rosen, professor online journalistiek aan de NYU en net als Sullivan een grote naam in [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Micro, beautiful, long and independent: journalism has a future &#124; Journalism Festival #ijf13</title>
		<link>http://pressthink.org/2013/01/loyalty-and-obsession-are-intimates-andrew-sullivan-goes-independent/#comment-44860</link>
		<dc:creator>Micro, beautiful, long and independent: journalism has a future &#124; Journalism Festival #ijf13</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jan 2013 06:02:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] to generate significant effects in the world of online news in a model not easily reproducible according to the professor Jay Rosen of New York University. In fact, the success or failure of such a project [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] to generate significant effects in the world of online news in a model not easily reproducible according to the professor Jay Rosen of New York University. In fact, the success or failure of such a project [...]</p>
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		<title>By: gabos</title>
		<link>http://pressthink.org/2013/01/loyalty-and-obsession-are-intimates-andrew-sullivan-goes-independent/#comment-43942</link>
		<dc:creator>gabos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jan 2013 20:30:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I don&#039;t love Andrew Sullivan, and I disagree with his contorted conservatism often. But I am strongly inclined to pay $20 merely because I believe so much, regardless of his opinions, in the merit of this endeavor. This is where journalism has to go, at least in part, and success will lead others in the same direction. It&#039;s the model that&#039;s important here, regardless of what you may feel about Sullivan. However, I hope there will other opportunities to support such a model, ones that you (and probably me) feel more comfortable with (I give regularly to Glenn Greenwald, btw, who represents some kind of partial of this-- you might consider the same).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t love Andrew Sullivan, and I disagree with his contorted conservatism often. But I am strongly inclined to pay $20 merely because I believe so much, regardless of his opinions, in the merit of this endeavor. This is where journalism has to go, at least in part, and success will lead others in the same direction. It&#8217;s the model that&#8217;s important here, regardless of what you may feel about Sullivan. However, I hope there will other opportunities to support such a model, ones that you (and probably me) feel more comfortable with (I give regularly to Glenn Greenwald, btw, who represents some kind of partial of this&#8211; you might consider the same).</p>
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		<title>By: patterson dental support</title>
		<link>http://pressthink.org/2013/01/loyalty-and-obsession-are-intimates-andrew-sullivan-goes-independent/#comment-43544</link>
		<dc:creator>patterson dental support</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jan 2013 08:26:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[What&#039;s up everybody, here every person is sharing such experience, therefore it]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What&#8217;s up everybody, here every person is sharing such experience, therefore it</p>
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		<title>By: SocraticGadfly</title>
		<link>http://pressthink.org/2013/01/loyalty-and-obsession-are-intimates-andrew-sullivan-goes-independent/#comment-43001</link>
		<dc:creator>SocraticGadfly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jan 2013 15:53:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[And, if I wanted to burn $20 to read Sully on a regular basis, Aaron&#039;s reasoning is the only thing that would make me do that.

That said, Aaron, wasn&#039;t Sully semi-unbound when he edited TNR?

Oh, yeah - an entire issue singing the praises of &quot;The Bell Curve.&quot;

See, Aaron, you can now save your $20.

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Beyond that, and Jay noting that, with interns, he really has a seven-person staff, the question there is &quot;why&quot;?

A lot of stuff he writes these days is Atrios-type microblogging with one sentence plus a link. Maybe one in four posts is midi-blogging and only one in 10 is longer form.

Speaking of Jay and customer service, I&#039;d want a detailed &quot;financials&quot; breakout before I made any contribution even were I of a mind to read Sully regularly. What&#039;s he going to pay himself? $100K? $150? $75?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And, if I wanted to burn $20 to read Sully on a regular basis, Aaron&#8217;s reasoning is the only thing that would make me do that.</p>
<p>That said, Aaron, wasn&#8217;t Sully semi-unbound when he edited TNR?</p>
<p>Oh, yeah &#8211; an entire issue singing the praises of &#8220;The Bell Curve.&#8221;</p>
<p>See, Aaron, you can now save your $20.</p>
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<p>Beyond that, and Jay noting that, with interns, he really has a seven-person staff, the question there is &#8220;why&#8221;?</p>
<p>A lot of stuff he writes these days is Atrios-type microblogging with one sentence plus a link. Maybe one in four posts is midi-blogging and only one in 10 is longer form.</p>
<p>Speaking of Jay and customer service, I&#8217;d want a detailed &#8220;financials&#8221; breakout before I made any contribution even were I of a mind to read Sully regularly. What&#8217;s he going to pay himself? $100K? $150? $75?</p>
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		<title>By: Blog yazarak para kazanmak mümkün mü? &#124; Deniz Ergürel</title>
		<link>http://pressthink.org/2013/01/loyalty-and-obsession-are-intimates-andrew-sullivan-goes-independent/#comment-42651</link>
		<dc:creator>Blog yazarak para kazanmak mümkün mü? &#124; Deniz Ergürel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jan 2013 13:08:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] ünlü medya eleştirmeni Jay Rosen gibi isimler Sullivan&#8217;ın bu kararını desteklediklerini ve abone olacaklarını if.... Hatta kimi okuyucular gönüllü olarak, talep edilen miktardan daha fazla ödeme yapmayı bile [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] ünlü medya eleştirmeni Jay Rosen gibi isimler Sullivan&#8217;ın bu kararını desteklediklerini ve abone olacaklarını if&#8230;. Hatta kimi okuyucular gönüllü olarak, talep edilen miktardan daha fazla ödeme yapmayı bile [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Jay Rosen</title>
		<link>http://pressthink.org/2013/01/loyalty-and-obsession-are-intimates-andrew-sullivan-goes-independent/#comment-42571</link>
		<dc:creator>Jay Rosen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jan 2013 02:28:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I agree with you, Scott. That&#039;s going to be one of the big challenges. So will CMS and technology issues. I don&#039;t think we&#039;ll know about the success of the experiment until February 2014 at the earliest. That&#039;s when Sullivan and crew will have a sense of the renewal rate.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with you, Scott. That&#8217;s going to be one of the big challenges. So will CMS and technology issues. I don&#8217;t think we&#8217;ll know about the success of the experiment until February 2014 at the earliest. That&#8217;s when Sullivan and crew will have a sense of the renewal rate.</p>
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		<title>By: Legenda 60: Stuff worth reading &#171; Me + Richard Armitage</title>
		<link>http://pressthink.org/2013/01/loyalty-and-obsession-are-intimates-andrew-sullivan-goes-independent/#comment-42524</link>
		<dc:creator>Legenda 60: Stuff worth reading &#171; Me + Richard Armitage</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jan 2013 20:41:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] One of the most widely read bloggers in the U.S. decides to take the plunge and go independent, it s.... An interesting look into the sustainability of blogging as something to keep one alive. (Don&#8217;t worry &#8212; I&#8217;m not even thinking about quitting my day job, or not to blog, anyway.) [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] One of the most widely read bloggers in the U.S. decides to take the plunge and go independent, it s&#8230;. An interesting look into the sustainability of blogging as something to keep one alive. (Don&#8217;t worry &#8212; I&#8217;m not even thinking about quitting my day job, or not to blog, anyway.) [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Scott Lewis</title>
		<link>http://pressthink.org/2013/01/loyalty-and-obsession-are-intimates-andrew-sullivan-goes-independent/#comment-42516</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott Lewis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jan 2013 19:58:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I was hoping you&#039;d touch more on the challenges that come with changing from an advertiser to a reader-supported model. While it is tremendously attractive to build a truly independent, reader-supported service, Sullivan has taken on a big burden that might be best called &quot;customer relations.&quot;

Anyone hoping to build something like what he&#039;s outlined should grapple with this challenge.

I don&#039;t at all doubt Sullivan and his team&#039;s ability to build a paying community of between 15,000 and 45,000 paying subscribers. 

But managing this many customers, dealing with their problems and, most importantly, pressing them to renew at a high rate, is not easy. It&#039;ll require an advanced CRM, staff and even the personal touch of the leadership. 

The relationships will even need more attention if donations of $500+ become something Sullivan relies on. 

Readers as the sustaining force is awesome. But, like advertisers, they are paying for a service and they will need attention.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was hoping you&#8217;d touch more on the challenges that come with changing from an advertiser to a reader-supported model. While it is tremendously attractive to build a truly independent, reader-supported service, Sullivan has taken on a big burden that might be best called &#8220;customer relations.&#8221;</p>
<p>Anyone hoping to build something like what he&#8217;s outlined should grapple with this challenge.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t at all doubt Sullivan and his team&#8217;s ability to build a paying community of between 15,000 and 45,000 paying subscribers. </p>
<p>But managing this many customers, dealing with their problems and, most importantly, pressing them to renew at a high rate, is not easy. It&#8217;ll require an advanced CRM, staff and even the personal touch of the leadership. </p>
<p>The relationships will even need more attention if donations of $500+ become something Sullivan relies on. </p>
<p>Readers as the sustaining force is awesome. But, like advertisers, they are paying for a service and they will need attention.</p>
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		<title>By: &#8211; Odd Logic: If You Value Your Readers, You Should Make Them Pay</title>
		<link>http://pressthink.org/2013/01/loyalty-and-obsession-are-intimates-andrew-sullivan-goes-independent/#comment-42337</link>
		<dc:creator>&#8211; Odd Logic: If You Value Your Readers, You Should Make Them Pay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jan 2013 06:38:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] a wall. Also, I agree wholeheartedly with Jay Rosen who highlights that what makes this work is the incredibly strong relationship Sullivan has built with his community. What&#8217;s that saying? Oh yeah, connect with fans, give them a reason to [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] a wall. Also, I agree wholeheartedly with Jay Rosen who highlights that what makes this work is the incredibly strong relationship Sullivan has built with his community. What&#8217;s that saying? Oh yeah, connect with fans, give them a reason to [...]</p>
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